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Rising to the challenger

6/16/2013

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It all started on June 14, 2013 when James Dunlap left a note on the website saying that he'd just bought a Model 2024 Challenger for $ 20, and that "everything but the tremolo works!"  I congratulated him, but couldn't help feeling the sting of knowing that I'd paid more than 10x that much for mine.  And I sure as heck wasn't going to tell him that the reverb on mine didn't work.  (I had theorized that the malfunction was caused by a bad solder joint,  a component, or the reverb itself, and that it would take some effort to diagnose.  I therefore took the only responsible course of action: I procrastinated.)

As I always do when someone alerts me that they have a Hilgen amp, I asked James to take some pictures.  He responded immediately with some clear pictures, including some of the tube array.  That was courageous of him, because James -- at that moment -- knew nothing about amp innards.

It was obvious that James's Challenger had a completely original set of tubes, including two Amperex Bugle Boys and a Mullard.  Because my Challenger also appeared to have its original tubes, I asked James to try to read off the identification numbers on the tubes.  I was assuming that our respective tube arrays would be identical.  The power tubes and rectifier matched: two 7591A power tubes and a 5URGB rectifier.  The pre-amp tubes did not:

Mine:        v1: 6C4  v.2: 12AX7  v.3 12AX7  v.4 12AU7  v. 5 12AU7
James:      v1: 6C4  v.2: 12AU7  v.3 12AX7  v.4 12AX7  v. 5 12AU7

"Only one can be correct," I thought.  Therefore, I changed my tube sequence to match James's array.  The reverb worked for the first time since I'd owned the amp.  On the other hand, the tremolo did not work -- again for the first time ever.  A lightbulb  went off in my head: "V.2 must be the culprit in James's sequence. Let's try putting a 12AX7 back in there."  I grabbed a brand new Groove Tubes 12AX7 and plugged it into V.2.  Now both the reverb and the tremolo worked!  However, the amp sounded like it had too much gain; lots of people would prefer that more conventional sound, but it no longer sounded like a Hilgen.  Because I had never seen a Hilgen circuit that had more than two 12AX7's,  I hypothesized that v.3 should be the proper location for the other 12AU7.  The theory proved correct: the reverb and tremolo were both operating, and the amp sounded like a Hilgen again.  (Back went the original 12AX7. No offense, Groove Tubes.  This is electro-archaeology.)

However, because this tube array was different from either of the original arrays, I was still a little unsure about contradicting what seemed to be history.  Blasphemy usually gets people into trouble.

Luckily, James was at his computer much of yesterday.  I immediately sent him an e-mail in which I asked him if he was willing to try putting a 12AX7 into v.2 and to see if his tremolo came on.  I told him that, because I could not exclude the possibility that his amp might blow up, he should feel free to decline.  But I then self-servingly suggested that the odds of that happening were pretty low, given that the pin-outs for the two tubes were the same and the 12AX7 simply had more gain.  

James took a leap of faith and switched his v.2 and v.3.  Now both his reverb and tremolo worked! 

Therefore, the proper tube sequence for the Model 2024 Challenger is: v.1: 6C4  v.2: 12AX7  v.3: 12AU7  v.4: 12AX7  v.5: 12AU7  v.6: 7591A   v.7:  7591A  v.8: 5U4GB

In sum, as a result of working together for several hours, James and I (a) fixed both our amps, (b) proved what was the proper tube array for the Challenger, and (c) discovered that even if an amp has its original tubes, that doesn't preclude the seemingly unlikely possibility that someone may have taken them out and put them back incorrectly. Neither of our amps' apparently original tube arrays had been correct.  If James had not taken the time to fill out a response form and investigate this mystery as thoroughly as he did, none of this would have happened.  Thank you, James!

Now James's $20 Challenger is an even better deal.  But I'm totally delighted about that.

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Jack Hester
6/16/2013 11:59:14 am

Now I wish that I had the Challenger schematic. The oscillator in the Tremolo should (though not in all cases) be the high gain tube. The 12AX7 is such. My Ampeg B-12-XY Vibrato did not work, due to the fact that the triode in the oscillator was weak. I replaced the tube with another, and it is the most beautiful warbling chime that I've ever heard in an amp. And, the weak tube works just fine elsewhere in the amp. That's where good schematics come in.

So, because of the work between the two of you, I'm satisfied that V2 is the Tremelo oscillator. But, a schematic is the best way to confirm such.

Jack

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John C. Bannon link
6/17/2013 03:02:44 am

Those of you who have visited the "Schematics" page on this site will recognize Jack as the person who found an error in Hilgen's own schematic for the HM-B and drafted a corrected -- and vastly more detailed -- CAD schematic for that amp. One of the most genuinely humble persons I have ever met, Jack refuses to allow me to extol his virtues in the manner I would prefer. Hence I have resorted to making oblique references to his brilliance when I think he isn't looking. To get a nod of approval from Jack is a real honor.

Leave it to Jack to volunteer such a technical observation about tremolo oscillation in plain, unpretentious English.

Jack is, of course, correct that a schematic analysis would have been the more reliable way to prove what James and I deduced. James and I were fortunate: we had identical amplifiers in good working condition except for one nonfunctional effect in each amp. The nature of the tubes involved made the risk of damaging the amps through incorrect tube placement very low. There was no reason to reach inside the chassis and thereby risk contact with high voltages. Had ANY ONE of those conditions been absent, I would not have allowed James to participate in the experiment even if he had asked me to do so.

However, the conditions turned out to be right for a safe collaboration. If James had not stepped forward, we would never have solved a problem that was within our competence to solve.

WHILE KEEPING SAFETY OUR CHIEF CONCERN, I look forward to many more such collaborations in the future.

Especially under the guidance of Jack Hester, who carries the burden of my admiration whether he likes it or not.

John

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    I've been playing electric guitar for 44 years.  That's an alarming statistic... Anyway, I admire underdogs and unsung heroes.  Particularly when they labored in complete obscurity, making spectacular amps that were forgotten for more than 30 years. Another alarming statistic.

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